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I can see both sides to this...
Back to page topI can see both sides to this incident. On one hand, what were the police supposed to do when they get a call like that? On the other hand, an innocent person was put in cuffs and treated like a criminal. And to add a twist -- she's now thinking about filing a lawsuit police brutality.
WRONG RESPONSE What the...
Back to page topWRONG RESPONSE
What the police are supposed to do is be professionals that evaluate all the circumstances before reacting. They did not do this-if they would have this homeowner would have been saved a lot of trauma. This police department seriously needs to re-evaluate "standard operating pocedure". The primary mission of the police is to serve and protect their community. Proper procedure would have shown that she was not in danger nor a danger to others. She certainly was not being protected or served. This situation was totally uncalled for, and the police are now trying to cover their fannies!
I have to disagree with...
Back to page topI have to disagree with gundies on this topic. The police are professionals, but for the safety of themselves, crime victims, and even to protect suspects, they can't wait to determine all the circumstances before reacting.
To be effective, police are trained to secure the situation and protect the lives of all of the participants first. If the initial response indicates that the individuals at risk can be protected, they act. They act quickly, efficiently, and ideally with overwhelming force.
Proper procedure did show she was not a danger to others. Proper procedure first dictated that they secure the situation to allow the officers (and the installers they thought were victims) to go home that night.
Before folks get their gundies in a bunch on this one, realize that the folks that respond to these instances often have to face difficult decisions made in seconds. If they had not locked down the situation, they face the criticism of not moving fast enough (a la the columbine reaction). Instead, a civilian was put in handcuffs and everyone was safe.
It appears null is aware of...
Back to page topIt appears null is aware of something the paper does'nt even know about. Null states the following:
"Proper procedure DID show she was not a danger to others..."
Then why was she handcuffed, home searched and treated like she was a danger or criminal. I guess this is what null refers to as the "overwhelming force" part of the proper procedure.
One last thing for null. You appear to be either the police or someone who is more than casually associated with the law enforcement. The statement about "...Before folks get their gundies in a bunch...". Be the professional you claim to be. Taking personal attacks at "a civilian" is unbecoming of a public figure (if you are one).
Heya Gundies! Proper...
Back to page topHeya Gundies!
Proper procedure always dictates that you secure the situation, then resolve the details of the story. When popping quotes from my initial reply, you seem to have missed the fact that the police were criticized after Columbine for not moving faster to get into the school.
Let's clarify: I'm not a police officer, political official, etc. Outside of the keyboard, I'm a computer geek father of a 2 year old. If you really want to better understand what happens in situations like this, look for a chance to participate in a citizen police academy - they're an unbelievable experience. Past that, my training is hundreds of hours of "Cops" episodes, video games, and common sense.
I'll play the quote game now. "Then why was she handcuffed, home searched and treated like she was a danger or criminal"? Let's see... a dispatcher relayed information from phone call that two installers were being held hostage by a person with a gun... with that information, the homeowner was a danger and potentially a criminal.
People tend to believe that Savage police are some kind of hick department. Let's take a deep breath and recall that this summer there was a similar call where the police had to blockade a neighborhood to talk down someone with a rifle (done without injury). About a month ago, there was a drive-by shooting near the fire station (with an arrest within a day).
Thanks for giving me credit for sounding professional... that post is gonna make a the geeks at the next lan party chuckle.
-null (You post your profile, I'll post mine!)
Null- Thanks for your...
Back to page topNull-
Thanks for your feedback. Unfortunately for the moment there is alot more to this story than has not come out in the paper. I am very aware of the Savage PD professionally and personally. We do have a good police department and I also personally know this homeowner; we are great friends. I have the ability to see both sides.
I have seen the savage police report and the 911 transcript. This situation had NO business coming down the way it did. Savage PD made a mistake in the way they handled the situation-there NEVER was a hostage situation from the moment the police arrived. That's a fact. The police should have called this off!
Congratulations on having a 2 year old that is a fun age. My children are 15 and 18. I have raised them to be good kids and openly admit when you do something wrong. The police handled this one wrong and won't admit it. There is alot to be gained from learning from mistakes. I just hope someday soon Savage PD really tells the public the "real story". It is so important for the police to be professional and honest.
I DON'T FEEL that is happening in this case.
Keep watching COPS on TV. But don't believe everything you see or read. So until the rest of this story "comes out" I call this replying to one another a Truce!!!:) I am also glad to help the geeks chuckle at parties! Enjoy that little one; they grow up quickly. Have a great day.
100+ hits and 3 comments?...
Back to page top100+ hits and 3 comments? There's got to be more interest in this topic, as over 100 people have clicked on this forum. However, only 3 people have logged their comments (and one of those is the editor of this newspaper!).
All you have to do to get in on this topic is to register on the site. See the "register" button in the upper left hand corner of the home page. You'll be asked to provide your screen name and some basic information. Then you'll be prompted with an e-mail back to you to complete the process. When you add your comment to a forum, others will only see your screen name (which you select). The rest of the information is kept confidential.
So, please comment away! There seems to be plenty of interest.
As I can see both sides of...
Back to page topAs I can see both sides of the argument, I will direct my comments to the 3rd party involved in this incident, DirectTV. First of all, the installers used a very poor choice in words. We have all done it, but that does not excuse the fact that in this day in age you can not use the term "held hostage" in jest. This would be similar to making an off color comment about having a bomb on an airplane.
Secondly, the dispatcher should have confirmed what she thought she heard prior to calling 911. If the installers were really held hostage by a customer with a gun, would the capture be allowed to respond to a call? A simple call back to confirm would have saved everyone the embarassment of the situation. Obviously, if the installers had not responded to the dispatchers request to confirm, than there is reason to beleive the threat was real.
I would suggest DirectTv take some responsibility for this incident. They need to establish policies and procedure for reporting and responding to distress signals from the field installers. DirectTV's actions in this case have only embarrassed the a respected Savage citizen and the respected Savager Police department, and this reflects badly on all of us that are proud to call Savage our home.
I have a couple of...
Back to page topI have a couple of comments.
- I believe the police department acted appropriately. Seriously folks, reverse the situation. If the home-owner called and said two guys were holding her hostage, would we expect the police to "evaluate all circumstances before reacting?" Not for a minute. We'd want the offenders handcuffed until we found out it was a farce -- and we wouldn't think anything was inappropriate.
- The responsibility for this whole misunderstanding rests on the DirectTV employees -- both the jokesters and the dispatcher. Not on the homeowner (who most likely didn't even know the reference to being held hostage had been made), nor on the police department, nor on the residents of Savage.
Excuse me, let me get this...
Back to page topExcuse me, let me get this straight...a lady has two guys fixing her direct tv...they say they are being held hostage for some strange reason (why would anyone want tv repair men to STAY in their house?)So, a bunch of cops surround the gun weilding housewife's house,point their guns at her...and where were the tv guys (aka "hostages")???? Oh, they were outside putting their crap in the truck??? Did the Lady of the House have a gun to their head while they put their tool belts in the flat bed?
This sounds to me like a bunch of cops were sittin around the station with nothing to do and got this convoluted mess of a call in, grabbed their unused guns and various ammo, dashed en masse to the "scene", lured the crazed gun toting mama out of the house, traumatized her, realized they'd made a hideous mistake. (I can imagine some 20 year old new copper sitting on the housewife with his brand new riot gear on, he notices the skanky tv repair men by the truck and says to himself "oops"...)
This is a joke. There is no possible CYA thats going to rectify what the Savage Police Department has done to this woman, her family, the neighbors, etc. SOP takes into account common sense. Hellooooo!!!!!!!!
Remind to stay out of Savage...or to wear a bullet proof vest when driving by "Mayberry"....Geez...even Andy only let Barney have one bullet...now I know why.
i only see one side to this...
Back to page topi only see one side to this particular story. What had happend in this whole incident is in my opinion completly wrong. The fact that the police had talked TALKED to the DirectTV workers before they had entered the house knowing that there was NO HOSTAGE SITUATION, and by that i mean how could there be any possible way that there was a hostage situation when the workers themselves were out of the house packing their stuff up?!?!. Julie Pyle was my art teacher throughout all of my elementary school years, she is by far one of the most caring people i have ever meet and the fact that the police treated this situation the way they did is very discouraging. I belive that there should be a formal appoligy by the city of Savage police and the DirectTV staff.
thank you.
Great comments! This is a...
Back to page topGreat comments! This is a wonderful community discussion about a very important topic.