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District 719: Both referendums fail; two new members elected to Board



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Voters turned out to the polls in opposition of the proposed levy and bond referendum for the Prior Lake-Savage Area School District.

According to voting results reported by Scott County Tuesday evening, 60 percent of voters cast "no" votes for the $590 per student tax levy increase. More than 61 percent of voters also voted against the linked question on the ballot, which asked for funding to build an addition to Prior Lake High School.

  In the School Board election, incumbent candidate Diane Ziemann and Eric Pratt gained the highest number of votes. Ziemann garnered 15.85 percent and Pratt collected just over 14 percent. Pratt barely overtook newcomers to the board, Dee Dee Francis (with 13.99 percent of the vote) and Chris Lind (with 13.96 percent) at the polls, to fill the four open seats on the board.  

Of the other candidates, incumbent Dick Booth earned more than 12 percent of the vote. Candidates John Myser had 10.9 percent, Michael Von Arx had 9.65 percent, and Greg Bores followed with 8.95 percent.

The School Board has previously stated that without funds from an increased levy, Redtail Ridge Elementary will not open as scheduled. Other impacts include not adding on to Prior Lake High School, and not hiring additional teachers to decrease and/or maintain class sizes to meet an antipated 3 percent growth of the student body next year.

  


I was shocked that the...

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I was shocked that the school referendums failed! I felt confident that a majority of people in our community cared about our children and their future. Not only was I wrong, but a strong majority voted in opposition to the referendums. I felt fairly well educated about the issues, but I have 2 children in the school district and subscribe to the Pacer. I wonder how informed the general community was? The 1st referendum question presented on the ballot did not make it clear that voting against the 1st referendum meant voting no to operating the currently under construction Red Tail Ridge Elementry. How much tax dollars did this community decide to waste by voting to build a new school, but not operate it? I think the school district and/or school board could have done a better job at educating people in the community who do not have kids. Did the district ever clarify how much ISD 719 spends per student vs. other school districts in the Mpls St.Paul Metro area? 719 comparatively spends less per student than many other school districts. I didn't see any stories published in the Star Tribune about the specifics of 719's referendums, although I did read about Anoka Hennepin's and a couple of others. Doesn't this community realize that voting against school funding is a vote against property values? I realize it is hard to vote to increase property taxes in these times, however we are in a community that is experiencing growing pains. The referendums will come to an end some day as growth will not be quite so rapid. If we invest in our schools now we will have stronger schools and a stronger community in our future.


Submitted by Denise Rae on November 7, 2007 - 12:07pm.

Aftery the failure of both...

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Aftery the failure of both referendums I'm now all for student vouchers so my children can go to the Our Lady of the Sewers Private School located in the previously named Red Tail Elementary.


Submitted by kalbeeno on November 7, 2007 - 12:15pm.

Aftery? What the heck is...

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Aftery? What the heck is aftery?


Submitted by pete.peterson on November 9, 2007 - 10:22pm.

I think that the failure of...

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I think that the failure of the referendums is a mandate from the citizens to the school board and district. You can't build facilities with no plans in place to fund the opening of the facility! The age old saying applies "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" The threat of not opening the new school if we don't send more money is exactly the reason I and most of the people I know voted against the referendums.

The district is taking the money it receives now and spending it on administration and not on teachers. We have added more figurehead positions to the district over the last few years that have nothing to do with education i.e. director of diversity and inclusion.

It is time to get our focus back on classrooms and teaching. The school board and its leaders in district 719 are going to have to do the same thing most families in this district have to do. Look at your spending and cut out the unnecessary items and work within the funds that you have. It is a tough job and not everyone will be happy with some of the decisions you have to make but, that is what good leaders do, they make tough decisions.

Some of the best leaders and inventors in this country were educated in one room school houses and they didn't have anywhere near the things we afford our children today. I am not saying we need to go back to the days of one room school houses but, there is not one example that proves throwing money at education gives better results. Good teachers and involved parents challenge young minds; bricks, carpet, computers and counselors cannot replace either.


Submitted by wanderboyd on November 7, 2007 - 2:28pm.

Vote Yes in 2008...

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Vote Yes in 2008

Wanderboyd: It is clear that you find it frustrating to see money spent wastefully. I agree. However, our school district has been a model of responsible growth. For many years, dozens of local taxpaying citizens have volunteered hundreds of hours each on a Stategic Planning Committee. They have listened to and debated the input of teachers, students, administrators, demographers, city planners, and other experts to plan the most efficient possible growth of our district. Remodeling and adding on to existing facilities has been part of that plan. You clearly have not been part of this committee, nor followed the process. You did not even know that the levy for operating funds cannot come until after a new building has been built. Fool us? That comment is ignorant and irresponsible.

The failure of this referendum is not a mandate, it is a blip on the radar screen. A one-year delay of the inevitable. As a result, a new elementary school will probably sit empty for a year. The students, teachers, administrators, and parents of this district will all bear the brunt of this mistake.

You can either be part of the solution or part of the problem. Either get involved in the process, or sit in your Monday Morning Quarterback chair and take ridiculous potshots about one room schoolhouses. We are all in this together as taxpayers. All that we have done is defer a few tax dollars for a while. It is unfortunate that our Superintendent will not be here to preside over the district when the referendums pass in 2008.


Submitted by gundies on November 11, 2007 - 11:00am.

Denise - I find your...

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Denise - I find your comments about how informed the community was to be insulting and in gross error. It was well known via the American and the Pacer and all of the mailings that were sent out by the school district that voting "No" on the first referendum meant that Red Tail Ridge would not open. Honestly, a school board that can't plan well enough to have the funding to open a new facility needs to rethink their priorities!

If you want to know how much ISD 719 spends per pupil, all you need to do is look at the school district website or the MN Dept of Education website. Contrary to Denise Rae's claims, ISD 719 does not spend less than other districts in the area. You see, I DID the research - I saw that Shakopee - with similar growth, student populations AND challenges managed to educate their kids better than ISD 719, they did it on less money AND they are running a budget surplus (as opposed to ISD 719's budget deficit!).

Rather than insult the intelligence of your friends and neighbors Denise, why don't you ask us why we voted against the referendum. Our answers just might enlighten you.

Cindy


Submitted by C Whitehair on November 7, 2007 - 3:54pm.

Denise was right......

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Denise was right...

Denise stated that ISD 719 spends less than "many" districts. That is absolutely true. Even with the increase that failed, we would have been below the state average. Shakopee is the only large neighboring district that does spend less than we do, and their student population is significantly different than ISD 719. Since you "did the research", I would be interested to see what data you use to back your statement that Shakopee educates their students better than ISD 719. Now THAT is insulting.


Submitted by gundies on November 12, 2007 - 11:24am.

I, for one, am glad that the...

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I, for one, am glad that the referendums did not pass. I used to make a lot of money working at a full time job. I quit my job two years ago to return to school full time. My family and I have had to give up certain things in the process. We had to cut expenses, vacations, and excess personal items to be able to live within our means. It is my belief that the district must do the same. It certainly would not be acceptable for me to go door to door asking for money because of decisions that I may or may not have made, and expect my neighbors to cover my bottom line. The district needs to concentrate on the children, the teachers, and the education..enough putting additional money into the pockets of superintendents, administrators, their assistants, their assistants, and their assistants. Enough building additional infrastructures that are filled to capacity in 4 or 5 years - think ahead people! And enough with all the threats about our children not getting this and not getting that. This whole thing with the High School could have been prevented had people just thought a little more a few years ago. The district also should have thought about how they would fund Redtail Ridge if they decided to build it. It appears the big issue here is too much spending and not enough thought behind it. It is all about allocation of the budget that you have. I have to do it, my neighbors have to do it, and now, hopefully the district will find a way to do it.


Submitted by rseefeld on November 8, 2007 - 8:47am.

Regarding the often-asked...

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Regarding the often-asked question "why do you build a school if you don't have the funds to operate it?", the state doesn't allow a school district to combine construction and operating costs for a new school in to one vote. Thus, a bond was passed previously to build the new elementary school, but the levy to help operate it wasn't put to a vote until this year. Would you prefer they ask for the operating money two years before they need it? Would you call that good planning?


Submitted by Savage Guy on November 8, 2007 - 11:40am.

If you are trying to send a...

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If you are trying to send a "mandate" to the board by voting "no" on the levy and bond questions, why did you re-elect two board members who voted to put those questions on the ballot? If your purpose was to defeat the referendum, yet you don't punish those people who put the referendum to a vote, doesn't that seem like a contradiction? Why punish the kids but not the elected officials if you feel that strongly about it?


Submitted by Savage Guy on November 8, 2007 - 11:43am.

Not all of the school board...

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Not all of the school board incumbants survived the election. I for one, did not vote for any incumbant although, part of me wanted to keep all of the school board incumbants in office so they would have to stay on and fix their budgets and then get out of the corner they have painted themselves into. If things continue I'm sure we will see more turnover at the next oportunity.


Submitted by wanderboyd on November 8, 2007 - 1:12pm.

This is simply the artifact...

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This is simply the artifact of an election in which you vote for more than one person.
If you look at the vote totals about 2/3 of the votes voted for 4 people.
Thus while people may have voted for 1-3 of the new people, they also felt the need to vote completely so they voted for the incumbent they felt most comfortable with.
Since Ziemann been on the board for so long (25+) years that it may just be habit for some.

The other side to that - Those who were pro referendum can concentrate there votes on just the incumbents and with no clear slate of anti-referendum votes, it is hard to fight that.

If you look at the candidates, with the exception of Chris none had very strong "no" position.

So the mandate to the board is clear:
Get the books in order.
Be open and honest with public.


Submitted by Robert Thibodeaux on November 8, 2007 - 2:41pm.

I think the voters deserve...

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Nancy Huddleston's picture

I think the voters deserve a straight answer from Mr. Lind now that he's been elected to the board. No more dancing around it -- what was the dismissal all about and what's the status of the lawsuit? Under state law, the district can't talk about it -- but Mr. Lind can. Let's hear about it. The newspaper's been asking Mr. Lind about this ever since he was dismissed. It's about time for an answer. And the web site's a perfect place -- no editing -- just information from Mr. Lind.


Submitted by Nancy Huddleston on November 9, 2007 - 1:00pm.

Peoples private lives should...

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Peoples private lives should be private, regardless of what the media thinks. That said, pretty much everyone knows why Westerhaus was after Mr. Lind and why he ultimately fired him. Mr. Lind spoke to students about issues that affected and concerned them. Westerhaus deemed these topics "inappropriate" even though they mattered deeply to the students. When you force adolescents to keep their questions and feelings bottled up you end up with confusion, anger and unfortunatley, sometimes, two absolute tragedies in less than two weeks. Mr. Lind was reaching out to students and the administration didn't like it. I consider each vote for Mr. Lind a vote for change and a vote against Westerhaus and his freespending cohorts. Lind for Superintendent.


Submitted by pete.peterson on November 9, 2007 - 11:05pm.

Chris Lind is not a private...

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Chris Lind is not a private citzen anymore! He just became a public servant. He also was an at will employee of the district. Meaning he could quit at any time or the district could terminate him at any time. Insubordination is cause for termination - like it or not!

Chris freely admitted his own insubordination. He said the district told him not to talk to students -- even off campus -- about "traditional values", namely, the district didn't want him to talk to students about abstinence or their sexual orientation. He didn't listen.

"I can't say I followed that directive," said Lind, 43. "I didn't feel that, morally, I could."

According to Joe Flynn, the district's lawyer, because Lind wasn't a licensed school employee or a union member, the district doesn't need to go through an extensive hearing process before dismissal.

ISD 719 is a public school system. Chris was not licensed nor employed to counsel students. If Chris wants to give advice based on his religious and personal moral beleifs, he is free to look for a job in a christian school.

Welcome to public life, Chris. As the old saying goes, "Be careful what you wish for, because you may get it".


Submitted by gundies on November 11, 2007 - 12:52pm.

I have to sort of agree with...

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I have to sort of agree with Nancy on this.

Since the Superintendent is blaming Chris for his leaving, I would like to hear from Chris.

Either, this is what I believe happened or because of the pending legal action I can not speak right now.

From the information I gathered, what the District did was "legal" but definitely does not appear to be right.
(For instance, a state can legally take a widows farm to build a new Sports Stadium but it does not make it the right thing to do.)

Also if would be a good opportunity for Chris to share some of the thoughts and ideas he has for the district.

I know the current Superintendent has used plenty of my tax funded paper (and column inches here at the pacer) to tell me why I am a bad person, I would like to hear from Chris and the new direction the school district can go.


Submitted by Robert Thibodeaux on November 10, 2007 - 9:35am.

I'm sure that a lot of the...

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I'm sure that a lot of the reluctance to speak about the issue stems from the fact that there was talk of a law suit for a while. While I personally do not know if the law suit went forward or not, I do know if there is one pending no one on either side will be able to talk about it.

Now that Chris is on the board, discussions of law suits will probably be dropped and once they are...

Cindy


Submitted by C Whitehair on November 12, 2007 - 10:22am.

Chris Lind has been elected...

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Chris Lind has been elected to public office, so he should speak about this -- no matter the status of a lawsuit. What's more, now we have a superintendent who has stepped down because of the fact that he was elected. I'm sorry, but this situation has been thrust into the public spotlight and it's time for Chris to talk about it.


Submitted by Nancy Huddleston on November 12, 2007 - 12:26pm.

lind talked a lot about...

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lind talked a lot about *total transparency* in the debate in september. he should practice what he preached.

if lind exposes himself to the scrutiny of the masses by running for public office, then full disclosure is expected. it's ridiculous to expect people to *respect privacy* in today's world. we run background checks and random drug testing for cashier jobs.

the light of day shone on lind should be no surprise. huddleston is right.


Submitted by footwasher on November 13, 2007 - 9:27am.

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